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  are jw the most dispised religion by the public?

  by mP in

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  i remember going to a new school, and before i said anything there were a few kids poking fun at jehovah.

  jehovah this and that .

  at no stage did i ever hear anyone mention any other god or religion in conversation or playground banter.

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  Joe Grundy

  Grace:

  You have a PM
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  are jw the most dispised religion by the public?

  by mP in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i remember going to a new school, and before i said anything there were a few kids poking fun at jehovah.

  jehovah this and that .

  at no stage did i ever hear anyone mention any other god or religion in conversation or playground banter.

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  Joe Grundy

  Mouthy:

  Grace - big hug to you. Not your fault, rather the fault of this wacko cult so many were ensnared by.
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  are jw the most dispised religion by the public?

  by mP in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i remember going to a new school, and before i said anything there were a few kids poking fun at jehovah.

  jehovah this and that .

  at no stage did i ever hear anyone mention any other god or religion in conversation or playground banter.

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  Joe Grundy

  As someone who never was a dub (but has sympathy for those who were/are) I'm sorry to have to tell you this from my perspective in the UK.

  Dubs who come to the door are generally regarded in the same light as the cold-callers who want you to switch energy-providers or try to sell you over-priced domestic goods. In other words, a nuisance to be dismissed politely (or not, depending on your mood). About the same level as 'harmless' e-mail spammers, not quite so bad as the West African spammers who want to give me £50m. About the same as flies/midges who pester you on a summer evening.

  Dubs like to think that they are hated and persecuted but in fact the opposite of love is not hatred but apathy.

  Most people I know are completely apathetic about Dubs. Those who know anything about them, or who have engaged with them (only to rapidly disengage when they realise Dubs still teach Adam was created about 6,000 years ago) tend to have bemused pity for them. Those who know nothing about them tend to lump them in with the other American weirdo religions they've seen on TV (Westboro Baptists, Mormons, First White Southern Baptist Latter Day Church of Mississippi, United Snake Handlers of West Virginia in The Name of the Nazarene, Reformed Disciples of the Holy Mount etc. etc.)

  So no, the Dubs are not despised. At best they are tolerated with a bemused smile, probably politely because we are Brits, after all, but with as little understanding or interest as Buddhists who want to explain why their particular brand of Buddhism is best. Complete disinterest, in other words.

  Sorry, Dubs, I'm not interested enough to hate, despise or persecute you.

  PS: Edited to say I made up some of those weirdo religions - but I'm sure there are others just as weird I didn't think of.
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  Music That Moves You

  by Joe Grundy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i love music - of many different genres and from different times.. .

  i love to play guitar, not to any great standard and purely for my own pleasure, and there are many pieces that really move me.

  'don't think twice' by bob dylan from my early teens is one that has stayed with me for 40 years.. .

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  Joe Grundy

  I love music - of many different genres and from different times.

  I love to play guitar, not to any great standard and purely for my own pleasure, and there are many pieces that really move me. 'Don't Think Twice' by Bob Dylan from my early teens is one that has stayed with me for 40 years.

  Recently sorting through some stuff I came across this one, which at different times had the capacity to really move me (I had a girlfriend on a different continent):

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rs9rCP_wpY&feature=related

  What's yours?
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  The gal I'm dating frequents match.com - advice?

  by UnConfused in

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  i am dating a gal that i met on match.com - we saw each other first last summer, but she didn't think we were a 'match'.

  after the "pressure" was off we started hanging out quite a bit with all the benefits that go along with it.

  this went on for months.. i became smitten with her, but we weren't a couple, which she pointed out a couple of times.

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  Joe Grundy

  My view may be a little cynical - I am currently going through a divorce from my 'Filipina Princess'.

  In my experience, some ladies (and again, only my experience, but especially those from SEA) like to keep all options open and to choose the best option from all available options - whether that relates to finance, child-production, immigration issues, whatever.

  Seems to be different from my (probably old-fashioned) romantic ideas where one falls in love and everything else is subservient to that love.

  My own dear estranged wife managed to mend her broken heart within a couple of weeks and found a richer, older, and more naieve live-in boyfriend (i.e. she 'lives-in' with him).

  There is a saying about certain ladies 'You don't lose them: you only lose your turn'.
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  March 2012 Aux Pioneering

  by truthlover in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so far what is the response to the aux pioneering this year vs last year?.

  in our cong - only 10 so far vs 52 last april.

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  Joe Grundy

  Interesting ... do you think many JWs know that the 'pioneering work' is officially reagrded by WTBTS as 'nothing to do with the organisation' and as a purely voluntary activity?

  And if it is 'purely voluntary and independent' why ask for time-sheets?

  Does not add up to this simplistic outside observer.
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  March 2012 Aux Pioneering

  by truthlover in

  1. watchtower
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  so far what is the response to the aux pioneering this year vs last year?.

  in our cong - only 10 so far vs 52 last april.

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  Joe Grundy

  nugget:

  Thanks for that explanation. It still leaves me perplexed, and perhaps I am looking at this wrongly (i.e. without the 'true' JW perspective).

  To me, with my simplistic/legalistic view, that form, and the implied 'approval' from WTBTS, or COCJWs, implies a legal relationship between the 'volunteer' and the organisation. I applied for approval to do volunteer work on their behalf, they approved me to do it. I have a responsibility towards them - they have a responsibilty towards me.

  I understand, of course, why a cult would want to keep its members busy in what is demonstrably unproductive work - and work where the likely result is at best apathy and at worst antipathy (this reinforces the 'persecution complex).

  I also understand that Jws are discouraged from questioning the 'organisation'. I have to say, from my own point of view, that if I was going to invest 30+ hours of unpaid labour a month the least I would want to know was whether I was an accredited member, acting on behalf, of the organisation or not.
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  Attending an International Assembly.

  by man in black in

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  Joe Grundy

  When is/was that 'Special Convention' in Dublin that spurred a few threads a little while ago?

  You know, the one that specified that disabled people weren't welcome.
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  March 2012 Aux Pioneering

  by truthlover in

  1. watchtower
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  so far what is the response to the aux pioneering this year vs last year?.

  in our cong - only 10 so far vs 52 last april.

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  Joe Grundy

  Excuse me if I am being a bit thick here. I have never been a JW, so I may have missed something.

  On recent threads there was evidence that WTBTS declared that JWs doing door-to-door/missionary/preaching work were doing so as individual volunteers, of their own volition, and were not emissaries of WTBTS.

  That being so (even if it came as a bit of a shock to those JWs who know about it) how on earth can WTBTS have an 'application form' and approval/vetting procedures for those who want to do this 'completely voluntary, completely independent' door-to-door stuff?

  Just a thought.
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  Anyone do sales for a living by any chance?

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just started in sales recently and have been really good at it.

  of course, i grew up a jw, lol.. anyways, i was working on closing an account and took another guy at my work with me to go over the specifications and get quotes and that sort of thing.

  well, after the meeting he called and emailed her to ask further questions without my knowledge.. so, i called her yesterday and she completely flipped out about the way he treated her saying that he was pressuring her and bullying her.

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  Joe Grundy

  Just a thought - is there any chance that because you're female, your male colleague thought (wrongly) that he should take the lead or impose himself on the deal?